Comments on: Weaknesses of the Intelligent Design Movement According to AIG http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/ Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:19:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Jonathan Bartlett http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2796 Jonathan Bartlett Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:28:15 +0000 http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2796 Point taken, Sal. Point taken, Sal.

]]> By: Salvador T. Cordova http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2793 Salvador T. Cordova Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:46:51 +0000 http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2793 There is merit to Jonathan's disagreement with my statement "theology-free". But when trying to commuicate, sometimes I must give the best approximation available in terms of language. Even in math, for Pi we can say 3, 3.14, 3.1415926535 you get the idea. The concept of theology-free was laid out somewhat by Jesus in John 10:38, where if one could not believe His words they could believe the physical evidence. Thus He, actually gave His blessing to two different approaches to arriving at truth. It remidns me of how mathematical theorems can be proven by several independent means. regards, Salvador There is merit to Jonathan’s disagreement with my statement “theology-free”. But when trying to commuicate, sometimes I must give the best approximation available in terms of language. Even in math, for Pi we can say 3, 3.14, 3.1415926535 you get the idea.

The concept of theology-free was laid out somewhat by Jesus in John 10:38, where if one could not believe His words they could believe the physical evidence. Thus He, actually gave His blessing to two different approaches to arriving at truth. It remidns me of how mathematical theorems can be proven by several independent means.

regards,
Salvador

]]> By: Telic Thoughts » Open thread: Hobbits, evolving evolution, and the vast creationist conspiracy http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2792 Telic Thoughts » Open thread: Hobbits, evolving evolution, and the vast creationist conspiracy Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:35:41 +0000 http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2792 [...] Intelligent design is often described as an insidious creationist plot. In what can only be a perplexing paradox, some creationists actually criticize intelligent design, like Carl Wieland from Answers in Genesis. Over at WithAllYourMind.net, Barry is planning a series of post responding to those criticisms. The first installment can be read here. [...] […] Intelligent design is often described as an insidious creationist plot. In what can only be a perplexing paradox, some creationists actually criticize intelligent design, like Carl Wieland from Answers in Genesis. Over at WithAllYourMind.net, Barry is planning a series of post responding to those criticisms. The first installment can be read here. […]

]]> By: Barry Carey http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2789 Barry Carey Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:39:37 +0000 http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2789 Jonathan, I like your claim that ID is more a theory of causation than a theory of origins. Thanks for the Cordova quote. Science must begin with some presuppositions or one can't accomplish anything. Jonathan, I like your claim that ID is more a theory of causation than a theory of origins. Thanks for the Cordova quote. Science must begin with some presuppositions or one can’t accomplish anything.

]]> By: Jonathan Bartlett http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2788 Jonathan Bartlett Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:34:39 +0000 http://withallyourmind.net/archives/2006/weaknesses-of-the-intelligent-design-movement-according-to-aig/#comment-2788 My personal take on it is that ID is <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1203" rel="nofollow">not a theory of origins at all, but rather a theory of causation</a>. As to people claiming that ID http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1477is a neutral view, Salvador Cordova has <a href="" rel="nofollow">done just that</a>, and is one of the few things I am in disagreement with him on. <blockquote> Deep down, within these insular enclaves, some are too afraid to open their eyes to the physical facts lest they be de-converted. Deep down, some wonder if their faith is only rooted in their biases and upbringing and might not withstand exposure to theology-free science. </blockquote> I don't think theology-free science exists. Interestingly, there is a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/026801390X/freeeducation-20/" rel="nofollow">book on that claim</a> as well. My personal take on it is that ID is not a theory of origins at all, but rather a theory of causation.

As to people claiming that ID http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1477is a neutral view, Salvador Cordova has done just that, and is one of the few things I am in disagreement with him on.

Deep down, within these insular enclaves, some are too afraid to open their eyes to the physical facts lest they be de-converted. Deep down, some wonder if their faith is only rooted in their biases and upbringing and might not withstand exposure to theology-free science.

I don’t think theology-free science exists. Interestingly, there is a book on that claim as well.

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