Is God Eternal or Everlasting?

Filed under: Philosophy, Theology — Jeremy at 12:10 am on Friday, January 27, 2006

One thing that all Christians believe is that God is without beginning or end. Nevertheless, there is some disagreement about whether he is eternal, existing outside of time, or everlasting, existing within time (using these terms in a technical manner, not the common use of them as synonyms). By far most Christian theologians throughout the centuries have regarded God as being outside of time, and I would venture to say that most lay Christians believe the same thing (as popularized by the works of CS Lewis and Phillip Yancey). But is this the right answer?

There doesn’t seem to be any clear biblical statements on the matter, and William Kneale has argued in his “Time and Eternity in Theology” that the Christian view of the timelessness of God wasn’t derived from the Bible at all, but was rather a hang-up from the Greek philosophy that was so prevalent during the years that the early church was first forming doctrine. This seems a likely origin for the idea to me, but I will not pursue it further here. And, at any rate, whether its origin was the Bible or hellenistic philosophy is a different debate than whether it is true or not (although, of course, if it were the case that careful exegesis showed it was actually what the Bible taught, then I would be compelled to believe it as true). Instead, I will seek to show that if God is anything like the Christian view says he is, particularly a redeeming and creating God, timelessness is an untenable position. It isn’t a very difficult argument, and I can see no real way of getting around it.

The philosophy of time, at least the little I have been exposed to, can get very complex, but all we need to examine this question is a very simple test of whether or not something is in time. I think change will do the job. What I mean is that it seems to be absolutely necessary that if anything undergoes change, it is in time. There may be more to time than this, and so change may not be a necessary condition, but it is at least a sufficient condition to establish the passage of time. Well then, how can we know if some being has undergone a temporal change? One way is to see if there is anything true of that being that either was or will be false of that being. If there is, then it seems as if it has changed, and therefore that some time had to have passed. How can we apply this test to God? Well, let’s think of creation for a second. Let’s think of the property of being “the one who created the universe.” Hopefully all Christians will say that this is a property that is had only by God. That is, it is true of God that he has the property “the one who created the universe.” But pay attention to the tense of created. If God really did create the universe from nothing, then it has not always been true of God that he has had this property, for presumably the universe has not always existed. This means that time has passed from God’s perspective.

Here’s a further example. Think of the property of “knowing it is true that Jeremy is at this very moment writing a blog.” I’d like to think that this is a property that God has, but which he did not have twenty minutes ago (since that would have made him mistaken). Something about God then has changed, namely his knowledge. Twenty minutes ago, he knew the proposition “Jeremy is at this very moment writing a blog” was false, but now he knows it is true. What else can this mean but that time is passing from his perspective as it is from mine.

There are many similar examples I could give, as well as other arguments from the type of absurdities that arise from the block universe that is implied in God-as-timeless views, but I think the examples given suffice to show that God must experience the passing of time along with us. There is a difference, however, that must be stressed: God is still the master of time in that everything that occurs within it is under his control. In addition, the view of God as everlasting but not eternal in no way diminishes his foreknowledge nor makes him any less powerful. It just allows us to have a more realistic (and biblical) view of God.

As Christian philosopher Nicholas Wolterstorff concludes in his survey of the matter, “Though God is within time, yet he is Lord of time. The whole array of contingent temporal events is within his power…And that, along with the specific pattern of what he does, grounds all authentically biblical worship of, and obedience to, God. It is not because he is outside of time…that we are to worship and obey God. It is because of what he can and does bring about within time…”

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Comment by JosephusAmericanus

February 3, 2006 @ 11:30 am

One thing to keep in mind, I think, is the all-pervading, idea, presented in the Bible over and over (I’m not listing all the verses here…)that one aspect of God’s self-revelation as to his nature for us created to be “like” God, is that God, even though he is “near”, he is also “far”, ie. “as high as the heavens are from the earth…so my ways/thoughts/etc…” So, while yes, because we have the “mind of Christ”, we do indeed have a kind of access to the self-understanding of God himself (”partakers of the divine nature”), nevertheless, I think scripture is also clear —experience also bearing this out pretty well too —- that aspects of “how God is God” or his releationship to/with/in/ time can at best be understood by us, here and now, by analogy. That is, perhaps the neverending difficulty in trying to conceptualize the issue of Eternity could well lay in the possibility that just like concepts like “Glory” or “Almighty” or “I AM” for that matter, mean obviously more and point to more than we could ever contain (in our present state at least…who knows?), so does to the concept of “Time”, ie. Time could very well be an analogy of a reality to which it is not humanly possible to speak of. To borrow some Lewisian speak, Time itself could be a “Shadow” cast by a Heavenly Solid or Reality or some-thing, that we at present can only grasp sensorially, psychically, intellectually, and/or logically, by way of analogous comprehension, which because of the “glass darkly” effect will get peeks here and there, and give general understanding as to a reality of “time and place”, but perhaps, just like a smudgy mirror, there’s more to the picture? I know one line of thinking might say “then what’s the point in talking about it?”…well, hopefully, we won’t be so dull as to not see that even though we do “know in part” it is also just as true and that digging, reaching, seeking, is always rewarded…God being limitless, will always give more to “him who has”. So don’t stop asking, wondering, and seeking! His word is a lovely (not easy), paved road to all kinds of treasures… Blessings!

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Comment by JosephusAmericanus

February 3, 2006 @ 12:09 pm

Alright, lemme give one actual full, scripture to point to what i mean, as I see that this blog takes it’s text appearing in con-text a bit more serious than others.
1 COR 2:6-7
“We do however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory BEFORE TIME BEGAN”. Let’s look at the Greek now..”theos (God) proozio (Ordained) pro (before) aion (time).” Let’s look at the word aion now definitions according to biblical usage. 1. for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity, 2. the worlds, universe, and 3.) period of time, age.
So, usage 1. is kind of ruled out for obvious reasons, 2. is closer, and 3. to me, is closest to getting at what Paul, the Greek-speaking, former Rabbi, was talking about. Now unlike some, I think what some people refer to as Paul’s Hellenistic tendencies are actually, well, God-breath…I mean, the fact that Greeks could get it because of their background with Plato and Aristotle (and Xenophon I s’pose), doesn’t so much speak to me of the “Greek Influence” as it speaks of God’s grace…(you know the one God that made all races and stuff?), so…my point here is perhaps similar to the blog posts’ that in fact the phenomena of pure DURATION is probably not a limitation at all (contra those who dislike the idea of God having any time at all), but possibly our Temporal perception of DURATION doesn’t give us the full picture s’all. And just like God’s weakness is stronger than Man’s strength, so also is his “time” also more “solid” than any concept of infinity that we will come up with whether in Greek, Hebrew, or paranoic-English. HA!

Comment by Terry Eddy

June 8, 2006 @ 8:09 am

You speak of time and no time as the only two choices. Scientists know that if matter does not exist , then niether does time. If matter exists then time begins. Also , the Law of Realitiviy kicks in, what time frame ( slow-fast)are you living in? God is a spirit ,so if spirit has no matter , then time does not exist. God may dwell with man in his realitive state of time but still remain timeless. Also at the speed of light there is no time. What is God referred to constantly in the scripture? God of light. Its really interesting and kind of boogels the mind.
Thanks for the subject.
Terry

Comment by Romarc CArr

February 13, 2007 @ 9:59 am

everything in this world, has a limitation and even our mind has limitation too, and we have to accept that there some thing that our mind can not attain to understand, like the ceiling and floor of the universe, and how does everything has been made, even the science cant explain these reality, what more than when we subjected God, and questioning his existence, all I can say as a 3rd year student, God’s existence is beyond the knowledge of a rational being, I dont say that there’s no God but rather no one can explain the presence of God, beecause he is a spirit, maybe through the sense of feeling and through our dream or through methapor. thank for these topic I learned more, I subject it because this gona be my report in the class.

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