Even Fewer Minimal Facts for the Resurrection

Filed under: Apologetics — Barry Carey at 9:03 am on Friday, August 11, 2006

Yesterday, I blogged on the minimal facts approach to defending the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus as delineated by Gary Habermas. This list of 12 minimal facts can be halved and one can still argue convincingly that Christ did rise from the dead. Here is the reduced list:

1. Jesus died by crucifixion.
2. The disciples had experiences that they thought were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
3. The disciples were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
4. The apostolic proclamation of the resurrection began very early, when the church was in its infancy.
5. James, the brother of Jesus and a fomer skeptic, became a Christian due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.
6. Saul (Paul), the church persecutor, became a Christian due to an experience that he beleved was an appearance of the risen Jesus.

- from The Risen Jesus & Future Hope -

Over the next few posts, I hope to examine each of these briefly, beginning today with the first fact: The death of Jesus.

The death of Jesus is rarely contested, at least by scholars, because its occurence is so well attested. First of all, a number of ancient historical texts record Christ’s death. Among these are I Corinthians 15:3 and several other early creedal reports that predate the New Testament. The Gospels all report the death of Jesus. At least 10 non-Christian texts (Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, Lucian of Samosata, Mara Bar-Seraphon, Thallus, Acts of Pilate, The Gospel of Truth, The Gospel of Thomas, and The Treatise on Resurrection) and several non-canonical Christian texts (Clement of Rome, Ignatius, Justin Martyr) report the death of Jesus.

Secondly, The Swoon Theory (basically that Christ did not actually die on the cross, but only “swooned” and later was rescusitated) is counteracted by medical studies examining death by Crucifixion. The victim dies ultimately of asphyxiation, although their are other contributing factors. The spear wound to Christ’s side was a wound inflicted as a final stroke to insure His death.

Thirdly, over a century ago, David Strauss, in A New Life of Jesus, powerfully critiqued the swoon theory, settling the issue for many. He asserted that even if Christ did escape death on the cross, he could not have accounted for the belief in his discipes that he had been raised. He would have been a physical disaster in obvious need of medical attention. His bloodied, pale, weak bodily appearance would not have inspired believers that they would someday be raised like him. Habermas quotes liberal theologian John Dominic Crossan (of the Jesus Seminar):

“That he was crucified is as sure as anything historical can ever be”.

Next, the disciples’ experiences.

9 Comments »

Comment by Steven Carr

August 11, 2006 @ 6:19 pm

Where does Thallus report the death of Jesus?

Can I have the manuscript of the work by Thallus where that appears?

Or does it only appear in a work by a Christian Bishop who doesn’t even quote what it actually says?

If I, by some strange chance, just happened to manage to find a Muslim Imam who claimed that a non-Muslim had confirmed something in the Koran, would you demand that sceptics treat it as confirmation of the Koran?

And why do you claim that the Gospel of Thomas was written by a ‘non-Christian’?

Comment by Steven Carr

August 11, 2006 @ 6:20 pm

Were the disciples thoroughly transformed by seeing Moses return from the grave and appear before them at the Transfiguration?

Can we conclude that it did not happen?

Comment by Barry Carey

August 11, 2006 @ 8:31 pm

Steven, You ask many questions…too many to respond to in the limited time I have. If you are willing to make a coherent argument about one of the points and ask me a specific question which I might address, I would be willing to try to answer. As it is, most of your questions are irrevelevant and are a waste of time to answer (for example the one about Moses and the Transfiguration). You either do not understand the point being made or are not making clear the significance of what you ask. My time is better spent posting blogs than answering irrelevant questions. Sorry to be so blunt, but it seems you’re more interested in playing games than a meaningful discussion. I look forward to interacting with you more intelligently and coherently on a specific issue.

Comment by Steven Carr

August 12, 2006 @ 3:27 am

Christians never , ever will answer questions about why the disciples were not transformed by seeing Moses rise from the grave and appear at the resurrection.

I am not even Jewish, yet my life would be turned upside down if it happened to me.

Christians know this, hence their inability to answer questions on the Transfiguration.

Comment by Barry Carey

August 12, 2006 @ 8:53 am

So, Steven, I fail to see your point, and your statement is not even accurate. Moses was not resurrected. The tomb of Moses (wherever that is) still contains Moses remains. Moses never claimed to be God and never predicted his resurrection as evidence that he was God. The transfiguration has no parallel to the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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August 12, 2006 @ 9:58 am

[...] This post is a part of a series on defending the resurrection by using a minimal facts approach as delineated by Gary Habermas, author of The Risen Jesus & Future Hope. Habermas asserts, and I agree, that using six minimal facts which the vast majority of all critical scholars accept as true, one can present a convincing argument for the historicity of the resurrection. Yesterday, I briefly discussed the overwhelming support for the death of Christ by crucifixion as a true historical event. [...]

Comment by Steven Carr

August 12, 2006 @ 11:31 am

Moses was *not* resurrected?

He appeared risen from the grave, and that is not a resurrection?

When did he die again? Did he go back to the grave he had been in to die again? Did he go back to Heaven to die?

And even so, the disciples should have been transformed and started to preach that Moses had returned from the dead, and was walking the Earth again.

Comment by Barry Carey

August 12, 2006 @ 7:52 pm

Steven, By resurrection, most orthodox Christians are referring to a bodily resurrection from the dead. No one has ever claimed that about Moses. He was not resurrected. That does not mean that Moses is non-existent. Obviously, some of the disciples saw him at the transiguration, but he was not in a bodily form as was Jesus after his resurrection. Moses never claimed to be God and your comments about them preaching that he had returned from the dead reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue at hand.

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August 26, 2006 @ 4:52 pm

[...] Over 9 previous posts, I have presented Gary Habermas’ Minimal Facts Argument for the resurrection (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7, Part 8, Part 9). I first presented 12 facts which are accepted as historical by virtually all scholars who research in this area. Those 12 facts were then pared to 6 minimal facts which are sufficient to establish the resurrection as an historical event. This argument does not depend upon being granted the inerrancy of scripture, divine inspiration of scripture, nor even the general reliability of the Old Testament. Obviously, I do hold to all of the above, but I do not need to depend on those assumptions nor be granted them to establish firm grounds for believing that the resurrection actually occurred. [...]

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