Darwinism = Naturalism = Atheism?

Filed under: ID — Barry Carey at 6:49 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2006

I’ve come under fire here for a recent blog as well as in comments on other sites. It seems there is concern because I use the term Darwinism interchangeably with naturalism and atheism. Here is a response to one my comments on a blog at Thinking Christian:

It would be really helpful if people would stop using terms like Darwinism, Evolutionism etc. when they are really talking about Atheism. Darwinism and Evolutionism have concise dictionary definitions and they say nothing of religion, the belief in God or the meaning of life.

A response in comments to one of my own blogs similarly complains:

Well, I’m what you would polemically label a “Darwinist” and I’m a Christian, so please stop lying about what I feel, Barry.

The reason I use the term Darwinism and not evolution is that they are not synonymous. I do know Christians who believe evolution is the process God used to create life as we know it. Most of the people I know believe in micro-evolution, as opposed to macro-evolution. I am not against evolution, per se. I do believe people deceive themselves when they try to maintain they can be a Darwinist and a Christian. I respect people, like Daniel Dennett, who are willing to admit the ramifications of what Darwin stated. Here are some responses Dennnet gave in a recent interview:

SPIEGEL: Another idea of Nietzsche’s was that God is dead. Is that also a logical conclusion reached by Darwinism?

Dennett: It is a very clear consequence. The argument for design, I think, has always been the best argument for the existence of God and when Darwin comes along, he pulls the rug out from under that.

SPIEGEL: How is it, then, that many natural scientists are religious? How does that go together with their work?

Dennett: It goes together by not looking too closely at how it goes together. It’s a trick we can all do. We all have our ways of compartmentalizing our lives so that we confront contradictions as seldom as possible.

SPIEGEL: Your colleague Michael Ruse has accused you of stepping out of the field of science and into social science and religion with your theories. He’s even said you are inadvertently aiding the Intelligent Design movement as a result.

Dennett: Michael is just trying to put the implications of Darwin’s insights into soft focus and to reassure people that there is not as much conflict between the perspective of evolutionary biology and their traditional ways of thinking.

So, I certainly do not agree with Dennett that Darwinism is true, but we do agree regarding its implications.

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Comment by Tom Gilson

January 25, 2006 @ 10:48 am

Good points, Barry. There are some loose definitions floating around out here, after all. It’s good to clarify as you’re doing here.

You may still find that some people use “Darwinism” (or “new-Darwinism”) in the same sense that you use evolution, though. I’ve found the best way to keep it all straight is to use the qualifier “naturalistic” or “atheistic” in front of “evolution” or “Darwinism” when I want to be clear I’m talking about the non-theistic variety.

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Comment by Terry Eddy

March 4, 2006 @ 1:11 pm

Barry,
I am surprised to hear that you believe in evolution. Reason being, I have been reading Gerald Schoeoder’s book on how evolution and the bible are actually the same. I have read “The science of God” and I am reading “The Big Bang and Genesis” . I find this very interesting since I have realized that most of the bible is hidden is symbolism and poetry. One thing that Gerald Sshoeoder said was that “grace”, alot of the times was from the greek word hn which in hebrew is actually two words meaning “hidden wisdom”. Maybe when God found Noah to have grace, maybe it was that Noah had found that “hidden mystery” and was trying to find God. Terry

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Comment by Barry Carey

March 5, 2006 @ 9:11 pm

Terry, I don’t believe I stated explicitly that I believe in evolution. I do believe in micro-evolution, i.e., minor changes and adaptations over time within a species. I personally do not believe there is evidence for macro-evolution, the development of completely new species. As I pointed out in my blog, some Christians do embrace macro-evolution. They believe that God guided the process which produced new species, either actively or by front-loading the process with the proper information and material. Intelligent Design has room for each of those points of view. Darwinism has no room for God whatsoever. Thanks for your comments.

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